关于“说法者”的问答

此段摘自《灵魂永生》

第二十章  问答篇

这个讯息并未被扭曲。“说法者”按照他们自己的个性被赋予不同的才华，其中一些能力远胜他人，但他们全都扮演着传播内在资料的角色。因此，用你们的话说，有些“说法者”的成就比别人大得多。比如说，真正杰出的“说法者”数目比所给的数目少很多。

伟大的“说法者”还不到三十个。

基督存有是一个。佛陀是另一个。这些“说法者”无论有没有肉身都一样活跃。基督存有在以熟知的基督“人格”出现前有过许多次转世；佛陀也一样。

这些最伟大的“说法者”不只是转译和传播内在资料，而且比起那些与你们物质系统相连接的其他说法者，他们远远深入到实相的这些内在领域。于是，他们丰富了基本的内在资料。最伟大的“说法者”不需要大多数说法者所必须的强化训练。他们独特的混合特质使训练毫无必要。

在另一个层面，爱默生也是个“说法者”。

还有一个名叫毛本都（音译）的人……M-A-U-B-U-N-D-N，在公元前十四世纪的非洲。与大多数人比起来，“说法者”在所有的存在状态中都是高度活跃的，不论这些存在状态是物质的还是非物质的，醒着的还是睡着的，在两世之间还是在其它的实相层面。就像某些生理信息被保存在基因结构中一样，这些内在信息也以密码方式保存在“说法者”所在的任何心理结构中；但说法者比其他人更容易获取这些资料。不过，这些信息常常也需要“触机”才能得以释放。这些“触机”可以在醒时或梦境中发生，用以打开知识的宝库，使过去的训练能派上用场。

我知道你们有个问题是和第一位说法者有关的。

广义上说，并没有第一个“说法者”。想象一下，你想要同时身在十个地方，而你真的把自己的一部分送到了每一处。想象你可以把自己分身到那十个方向，而其中每一个分身都是有意识，警醒而有知觉的。

你——作为十个的你——察觉自己在这十个地方的存在。不可能问十个中哪个最先到，只能说那个决定拜访十个地方的肇始者开始了一切。“说法者”也是如此，他们也并非起源于他们可能出现的某时某地。

你们还有其它关于说法者的问题吗？

 “说法者”所传讯息的原始来源就是每个人内心关于实相本质的内在知识。“说法者”就是要让这些信息活在世间，要保证人们不会将之深埋于心、阻隔起来，要让有意识的自己注意到这些信息。

换言之，他们说出了内在的秘密。事实上，像本书之前提及的，在有些文明里，他们扮演了非常重要的角色。有时他们连贯地、有意识地、自我本位地觉知到这些信息，就是在那时，这些信息被记住了。他们了悟到，在一个无意识的层面这些信息总是唾手可得的。

不过，他们利用记忆把信息深印在大脑里。对他们而言，内在与外在之间总是有大量的交流，时至今日也未曾改变。早上睡醒时，他们记住了在梦中获得的有意义信息。在梦境中，一个说法者能聆听另一个说法者的教诲。另一方面，他们也在梦中交流彼此的物质环境资料，两种状态都得到了高度利用。

把这个问题放在讲宗教那一章吧，这样会更容易一些。

他们能，也的确在这样做。你俩都正在接受转世之间其他“说法者”的训练，这发生在你们的梦里。显然，那些“说法者”自身所发挥的效率有不同程度的差异。

他们的工作大部分是在非物质的状态下完成的，尘世生活有点像是很重要的实地考察。

……

我当时所指的是一位你会称为古代“说法者”的手稿，我以为你指的是那个。

即使原始的语言被翻译出来，鲁柏对其中所用的字句还是多半不熟悉。甚至在一些基本概念上存在着差异。为了保证翻译的纯正，各种不同的内在感知训练是必要的。这些语言有些是和图画而非文字打交道。有些资料里的象征具有多维空间的意义。通过鲁柏来传递这些信息将是个艰巨的任务，不过是有可能的。文字常常隐藏在图画中，而图画又常常隐藏于文字内。我们虽然称它们为手稿，但大多数都没有写下来。

有一些是写下来了，但日期却晚很多，有一部分在地下和洞穴里——在澳洲、非洲的部分地区，以及比利牛斯山的一些地区。

（“All right, question number two: Was the statement given by Jane, while speaking for you, correct, that there have been millions of Speakers? Or was this distorted? ”）

It was not distorted. The Speakers are gifted according to their own characters, some having far more abilities than others, but all playing roles in the communication of inner data. In your terms, therefore, some Speakers would be much more accomplished than others. For example, there have been a far smaller number of truly prominent Speakers than the number given.

There have been less than thirty great Speakers.

The Christ entity was one. The Buddha was another. These Speakers are as active when they are nonphysical as when they are physical. The Christ entity had many reincarnations before the emergence of the Christ “personality"’ as known: as did the Buddha.

The greatest Speakers do not only translate and communicate inner data, but also go much further into these inner realms of reality than others connected with your physical system. They add then, to the basic inner data. The greatest Speakers have not needed the intensive training necessary for most. Their unique combination of characteristics has made this unnecessary.

At another level. Emerson was a Speaker.

A man named Marbundu.... （My phonetic interpretation.）

（"Do you want to spell that? ”）

M-A-U-B-U-N-D-U, in Africa. 14 B.C. The Speakers, more than most, are highly active through all aspects of existence, whether physical or nonphysical, waking or sleeping, between lives or at other levels of reality. As certain physical data are earned along in the gene structure, so this inner information is codified within whatever psychological structures the Speakers may inhabit; but far more readily available than it is to other personalities. It needs, often, trigger points to release it, however. These can take place in either the waking or dream state, and they serve to open up the reservoirs of knowledge and make past training available.

I know that one of your questions has to do with a first Speaker.

（"Yes. Number four: Is it possible to name, or describe, a first Speaker? ”）

 In greater terms, there was no first Speaker. Imagine that you wanted to be ten places at once, and that you actually sent one portion of yourself to each of these ten places. Imagine that you could scatter yourself in those ten directions, and that each of the ten portions were conscious, alert, and aware.

You — being the ten of you — would be aware of existence in each of the ten places. It would be impossible to ask which of the ten arrived first, except to say that all began with the original who decided to visit the ten locations. So it is with the Speakers, who in the same way do not originate in the locations or in the times in which they may appear.

Do you have more Speaker questions?

（“Well, that brings me to number three, which you've already been getting into: What is the original source of the Speaker data? Where did it come from, and when? ”）

The original source of the Speaker data is the inner knowledge of the nature of reality that is within each individual. The Speakers are to keep the information alive in physical terms, to see that men do not bury it within and dam it up, to bring it — the information— to the attention of the conscious self.

They speak the inner secrets, in other words, in some civilizations, as mentioned earlier in this book, they played a much stronger part, practically speaking. At times they were consistently, consciously and egotistically aware of this information. It was then that it was memorized. They realized it was always available at an unconscious level.

They imprinted it, however, upon the physical brain through the use of memory. There was always great interaction however between inner and outer existence for them, as there is today. Valid information gained in the dream state was memorized in the morning. One Speaker heard another’s lesson in the dream state. On the other hand, pertinent physical data was also communicated one to another in the dream state, and both states were utilized to a high degree.

Do you have any more Speaker questions?

（“Number five: Were any of the disciples Speakers? ”）

I will save that one for the religious chapter. It can be handled more simply.

（“Number six: Can Speakers work with us while they are between physical lives?”）

I believe that has been answered.

（“Yes. ” See the data at 9:35. I was so busy writing I didn’t realize the question had already' been considered.）

They can. and do indeed. Both of you are being trained by other Speakers who are themselves between lives, this occurring in your dream states. The Speakers themselves obviously attain varying degrees of efficiency.

 The large amount of their work is done from a nonphysical state, earthly existences being somewhat like very important field trips.

 （“Number eleven: In Chapter Seventeen you said it would require more training on Jane’s part before she could deliver a Speaker manuscript, and that even then the work involved could take five years. What kind of training?’’）

I was speaking specifically of what you would term an ancient Speaker’s manuscript, and I thought that was what you were referring to.

Ruburt would not be familiar with a good many of the words and phrases used, even if translation from the original languages was made. There is a difference even in some basic concepts. To maintain any purity of translation, training in different kinds of inner perception would be necessary. Some of these languages dealt with pictures rather than words. In some the symbols had multidimensional meanings. To deliver such information through Ruburt would be an immense task, but it is possible. Oftentimes words were hidden within pictures. and pictures within words. We speak of manuscripts, yet most of these were not written down.

Some were, but at much later dates, and portions exist underground and in caves - in Australia, parts of Africa, and in one area of the Pyrenees.

编译： / Laujenny婷  美编：周周

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